Progressives, it’s time to go buy your guns.

by Joshua Vogel on September 10, 2011

in Editorial

Guns
I’m a liberal (or progressive, if you prefer the term). I’ve always had mixed feelings about gun ownership. As a child, I enjoyed playing with cap guns, and a macho, caveman corner of my personality has always liked the idea of wielding a weapon. But, the rational pragmatist in me has never been able to actually justify owning a gun.

Every so often I’ll get the urge to buy a gun for defense purposes. But when I start to reflect on it, I realize that I can’t really envision a situation where I’d need to use it. I mean, sure- I can picture a home break-in, where I’d run to the closet and open my gun safe and pull out a hand gun… but such scenarios feel like the boyhood daydreams of fighting a terrorist (and/or ninja) takeover of my high school. Even if it were to happen, it seems like something that would always play out better in my head than it would in real life.

I’m not a paranoid person. I enjoy reading the masturbatory rants of the folks who contribute to forums about the upcoming collapse of society, or post survivalist or “prepper” videos on youtube, or fret about “Peak Oil”. But I take all these things with more than a grain of salt. For the most part they are unsupported (or poorly supported) fears mixed with outright delusions.

But a couple things happened this week that did finally tip me over the edge and seriously consider a gun purchase: I watched the Republican Presidential Debates, and I heard Obama’s Address to Congress.

As someone who was recently unemployed for well over a year, and who saw his father get laid off during the tail end of that period, I now know firsthand the deep despair that fills someone who can’t get a foothold in this economy. If I hadn’t had the support of my family and friends, I may well have ended up homeless (and that’s within months of receiving a law degree).

Multiply that anxiety by the 14 million unemployed folks in this country, and the countless underemployed, and it’s not hard to see that there are a lot of scared and angry people out there.

Other countries– large, stable countries– have begun to see riots. Without an immediate reversal in course, it is only a matter of time before we see riots in the U.S. –which brings me back to the debates, and the President’s speech.

All of the front-running Republicans have decided that the path to economic recovery is a return to the laissez faire system of government– the same philosophy that was in place when America’s working class was at its weakest, poorest, and most abused. This isn’t a big surprise. As other, well respected, authors have noted, almost all modern Republican policies can be traced back to a singular goal: the creation of cheap labor. That’s all well and good, unless you are the labor. And, in case you didn’t know: 99% of us are the labor.

The President’s speech the next day didn’t make me feel any better. Don’t get me wrong, I think it was a terrific speech- or at least it would have been if he had given it two years ago when it might have done some good. But it’s too late in the game for half-measures. Even if the President got everything that he asked for (he won’t), it still wouldn’t make a significant dent in the unemployment crisis.

So I spent the next few days thinking about the state of nation, and imaging what America is going to look like in a few years. If Obama stays in power without a liberal Congress, things will be much the same for years to come: political gridlock and slowly worsening conditions for the middle class.

If the Republicans take back the executive branch, then political gridlock is the best we can hope for. If they’re able to get traction with their radical fiscal policies, they’ll keep feeding our money to corporations, banks and the ultra-wealthy. The middle class will shrink. More of us will fall into poverty, and with fewer people buying any products, even the large corporations will start to buckle and fail.

With more unemployment, more disparity between the haves and have-nots, and no clear path to prosperity in sight, I can no longer pretend that the U.S. is the stable and secure place I always knew it to be.

It is no longer unreasonable to think that things may go from bad to much, much worse. I’m not saying that an economic collapse will happen, or even that it it is likely to happen. Nor can I begin to predict the severity or duration of any crash that might occur. But in the current political climate it feels foolhardy to ignore the possibility that something very bad is on the horizon.

If you’re skeptically minded, you may be thinking that I’m being alarmist or that my anxiety is premature. You’re right of course. But there’s logic behind my madness. History is rife with examples giant social upheavals that happen with very little notice. Most recently, Egypt taught us that lesson anew. That country went from protests to revolution in a span of days.

I’m not saying that the U.S. is poised for such a revolution, of course- but I am saying that things could turn ugly here, very quickly. With the proper trigger, massive protests could form. If handled poorly, those protests could easily turn to riots. If it can happen in the U.K., it can certainly happen here. And how big could those riots be? And how long might they last? And by the time we’ve figured out the answers to those questions, will it be too late to prepare?

And so, for the first time in my life, I found myself in a gun shop, talking to the proprietor about a good beginner’s firearm for someone who is interested in home defense.

If you’ve never been to a large gun shop (and I’m sure many progressives have not), I strongly recommend that you step inside. For my part, I found the place unsettling. For the first time in my life I held a working firearm, but I didn’t feel any safer– quite the contrary, as a matter of fact.

The thing about being a liberal in a gun shop is that you are privy to a lot of conversations that you wouldn’t otherwise hear. It was rather like walking into a Tea Party convention.

The shop I went to was near my home in North Carolina. When the gruff man behind the counter found out that I was from Massachusetts, he openly mocked it for being a “socialist” state. Moments later, I overheard a woman loudly ranting about how Obama’s job plan was “destroying the country” with more spending. She was interested in buying some gold coins for when the economy collapsed.

To be fair, most folks were just there to talk about guns, and play with guns, and buy new gadgets to affix to their guns. Their comfort and knowledge of firearms made me feel nervous. I was in store full of 50+ people who didn’t feel at all shy about expressing their distain for liberals and “socialists”. All of them, I’m convinced, would have had no trouble gunning me down in an honest firefight.

I went into that store to buy a gun to protect my family in the event of a riot. I walked out feeling very nervous that if their actually was major social upheaval in the United States, a lot of angry conservatives would have no problem forming an organized militia, and they wouldn’t have a whole lot of sympathy for the scores of unarmed “socialist” progressives out there.

Now I find myself wishing that liberals would flock to gun shops en masse so that they can see the world I caught a glimpse of, and so that they could interact with the same folks I did, and maybe engage in some lively political discussion. These gun shops are factories for unchecked Tea-Party-style nonsense. It means that a lot of angry and armed folks are spending their days amplifying each other’s misunderstanding and distrust of the rest of us.

And also- (and I realize that this part is just pure paranoia)– I’d like to know that if things ever really degrade, there would be a whole lot of armed liberals out there to keep the armed conservatives in check. Or at the very least, I’d like enough of them to lay down sufficient cover fire for me while I run from Whole Foods back to my Prius.

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scottc7 5 pts

I think if you stopped and talked to most republicans, or conservatives, you will find they are reasonable people, and not hell bent on revolution.  This type of thinking though tends to be reflected; you think they're out to get you, so you arm yourself, thus they think you're out to get them...it's like neighborhood- scale mutual assured destruction.  The only remedy is dialogue.

That being said, definitely go get a gun!  I'm a dirty heathen hippy and I own several.  They're just plain fun.

Anecdotally, My wife's family is very conservative, but they love me despite my heathen ways, and we get along just great!

patti is ticked 7904 pts

One must soothe the Masses, try to convince them that this is 1965 again, and one is 100% safe everywhere they go, in their homes, ect...I know its cliche, however...TRUTH is:

WHEN SECONDS COUNT, THE POLICE ARE JUST MINUTES AWAY.

 

A SURVIVOR

topdawg45acp 5 pts

"The gun thing, well, it is absurd to allow a civilian population have weapons in times of peace."

This comment proves just how ignorant  most progressive people are Do you not remember history class  back in High school ? Lets remind you Gun control was a significant policy of Nazi Germany used to silence dissent and perpetrate the Holocaust. Adolf Hitler used the SS to enforce laws that completely disarmed the German populace and rendered the Jewish victims defenseless.. Gun control or Gun ban's is the first step for government to commit genocide on its own people . 

 

Speaking for my self I own many fire arms from my first .22 i got when i was born to my 82a1 50 cal sniper rifle . I have weapons for hunting , target practice , and also defensive purpose . My views on gun control is very different then progressives . How ever i can respect your right and your views about you not wanting to own firearms and if you choose to bring the topic up i will gladly and respectfully have a debate with you on the pro's and con's of owning firearms . How ever as a low abiding citizen the Constitution gives me the right to have firearms just as it gives us the right of freedom of speech and other rights . 

 

Progressive people seem to think all firearms do is kill people . Which i understand were they would get this thinking because the news only broadcast the negative side of firearms because thats what gets peoples attention . How ever if your a progressive that wants more information on firearms and the positive side of civilians fire arm ownership i would take a look at this website  http://gunssavelives.net/ These are story's that never get on the news of how firearms save lives all across the united states . 

 

 

I will honestly have to say i personally think your view of what was said was bias about what was being said in the gun shop (how ever i was not there i did not hear ) . I have never heard anything close to what you said in a gun shop and i have been in hundreds . My fiancee grew up in a progressive family and did not like firearms until she got with me now she loves them she a CCW holder and carries every day . I did not push my views on her how ever she wanted to spend time with me and i spend a lot of time on the range with weapons which lead to her getting use to weapons all the way to her shooting for the first time and even getting into hunting with me . She got introduced to firearms and how to responsible use the weapons and learned that they can be used for recreational fun , hunting and god forbid self defense . 

 

I personally hear alot of progressive type people saying well cops are here to protect you if some one is breaking into your house , or if some one is trying to rape a woman and continue with all the crimes that i fire arm would protect you . The average response time is 5- 7 min for cops to respond to a 911 call longer for people who dont live in the city . A firearm on one's person average 3 seconds which could mean the difference between you living or dying our for a woman being raped .

 

Criminals don't follow laws thats why there called criminals you can make thousand's more gun laws and all it does is hurt law abiding citizens .Criminals will kill you break into your home mug you and if there willing to do this do you honestly think there going to follow a gun law ? 

 

Now as a responsibly firearms owner i will honestly say that the ccw permit holders should have more training then they receive and should be mandatory training every year or 6 months .Personally i shoot with my local sheriff department and swat team and shoot on my own personal property aprox 3-4 times a week sometimes more . 

 

Please read the story's here its updated daily with new story's of law abiding citizens using there firearms for self defense .  http://gunssavelives.net/ 

datxomin 5 pts

Being cheap labor beats being unemployed. Of course, the bit on cheap labor being a political objective is nothing more than propaganda.

Progressive and liberal are opposing terms except speaking loosely in which case anything can (and does) mean anything.

The gun thing, well, it is absurd to allow a civilian population have weapons in times of peace.

design2021 6 pts

"The gun thing, well, it is absurd to allow a civilian population have weapons in times of peace."

If we armed the civilians & based our defense on local militias there would be more times of peace.

illiterate scribe 6 pts

"The gun thing, well, it is absurd to allow a civilian population have weapons in times of peace."

in an ideal world i might be tempted to agree with you. speaking as someone with family members who first hand experienced the holocaust (mother's side) and the collapse of south vietnam (wife's step mother side) the quote "if you want peace, prepare for war" is ingrained into my consciousness.

illiterate scribe 6 pts

Joshua - i'm in charlotte, if you want to hook up and go shoot let me know.

pfc.m 6 pts

While i appreciate and understand your point of view, not all gun fanatics fit into such cookie cutters. i am what you would consider a "gun-nut" with a total of 63 functioning firearms in my collection. i am neither liberal, nor conservative. i could care less what party says what as long as the country stays in one piece. i carry a sidearm every day for the same reason as any other soldier, with the willingness to defend what i love, and the hope that i never have to. i am sure that any law enforcement officers will say the same thing.

my school of thought is this; buy a gun, become comfortable with it, wear it every day, make it a part of your body, an extension of your mind. train often, make accuracy effortless. if the time ever arises where you can diffuse a situation in NO OTHER WAY, have the ability to use it with ruthless efficiency, and pray to whatever power you believe in that you will never, ever in your life, let it get to that point. as i said, i carry a weapon every day of my life as a civilian, and have taken up arms to defend my country in the US Army, and if i never point a weapon at another human being, i will die a happy, old man. my father served 14 years in the US Army, 19th Special Forces Group [the unit i am a part of now], and 22 years law enforcement/ private armed security and has yet to use his weapon against another man. my grandfather has been a police officer for 49 continuous years and the same story. as gun owners and men trained in the art of combat, we have a responsibility and legacy to uphold. but god help the man who tries to take my family, my country, or take an innocent life in my presence.

hope i did not bore you, PFC M, A Co, 1/19th SFG[A]

mjseltzer 5 pts

Joshua, if you make it a little easier to e-mail you i was going to clue you in to some top notch firearm training from similar-minded individuals. You see, you're way late to the liberal gun-owner party and happened to stumble upon my patented method of converting liberals to gun owners on your own

First, I ask them to list off what they consider a "stereotypical gun owner"

Second, I listen to them ramble about racist rednecks and the like

Third, i inform them that all of those terrible people own guns, know how to use guns, and probably don't like liberals.

Finally, they inevitably get the point, buy a gun, learn how to shoot, get more exposure to actual gun owners and realize like all other stereotypes, they may be rooted in some reality but are mostly bullshit.

design2021 6 pts

"laissez faire system of government" Only a progressive could come up with this one. Laissez faire capitalism is an economic system not a system of govt. It is actually about the govt having no role in the economy.

twalters 5 pts

Please get some serious training to go with that firearm. Simply owning a gun and reading the safety manual is going to magically make you competent and capable of defending yourself with said firearm. Not all of us gun owners are "nutty neo-cons", there are a lot of normal reasonable people out their that carry for defense and also enjoy shooting sports with our families. But mostly I just came here to encourage you to get lots of good hands on training and ask you to please be a responsible gun owner (like the vast majority of us). :-) Peace.

illiterate scribe 6 pts

i've never understood why the desire to protect oneself would supposedly be incompatible with a given political ideology. self preservation should be a core human trait.

MattParker 5 pts

The day will eventually come where the Fascist Republicans will seek to make Liberals the new Jew. It is crucial for Liberals to own guns for this reason alone.

SeanMason 5 pts

I do agree with the idea of even those against fire arms arming themselves appropriately in the event of catastrophe or even a home break in, however I think rather than just arming people with weapons, arming them with the knowledge to use them safely should be a first and foremost thought. the idea of legions of armed liberals is terrifying to me, not because they're liberal. instead it's because I'm afraid of too little knowledge and familiarity having devastating results. a nice addendum would be for those that are on the fence about the issue to at least attend a few classes and familiarize themselves with how exactly a firearm works and the proper safety measures to take when transporting, wielding, and firing of these weapons. most people tend to view guns as magic death sticks that make bad people go away or end lives wholesale without regard to their victims. however I believe them to be tools, and weapons nothing more nothing less. firearms should be treated with the same respect and and careful nature one would treat a razor sharp sword or a stick of dynamite. if properly handeled a firearm will (I would like to say never but we all know that not to be true) almost never discharge on accident, maiming or killing whoever happened to be in front of it. in short don't just arm yourselves but armor yourselves with knowledge, if for no other reason than to ensure the safety of those around you.

pfc.m 6 pts

SeanMason HOLY SHIT BRO. i just read the comments and saw you. well put, as i should expect from our family.

NickTopolos 6 pts

It's so odd that once the threat of global nuclear annihilation was diminished that our new enemies would be ourselves. Using another Soviet era reference, I wonder if this an echo of Yugoslavia where the lack of a strong central authority allowed previously dormant dissent to resurface. Could unresolved issues about states rights and moral superiority from the Civil War be driving things? There certainly seems to be a great deal of overlap on the location of most conservatives and the the Confederacy. I also find it tragically ironic that it might be these conservatives -- who accuse this president, liberals, gay marriage, etc -- of destroying these country, are the real ones stoking destruction and/or the rapture. That said, I'm certainly not going to participate in their suicide pact without a fight.

GiaoNguyễn 5 pts

"I against my brother. I and my brother against our cousin. My brother and our cousin against the neighbors. All of us against the foreigner." A very old proverb.

TC10284 6 pts

" I was in store full of 50+ people who didn’t feel at all shy about expressing their distain for liberals and “socialists”. All of them, I’m convinced, would have had no trouble gunning me down in an honest firefight." Basically this whole article has been my fear too. I thought I was crazy to think it. I had always thought that "if there's another civil war, progressives/liberals are likely doomed due to most conservatives being all gun-slingin', militia ready country-folk" (that's just my overgeneralization). Then you would think the military would step in. Well, there are a lot of the same kind of people in the military too (not all, I realize). I was born and raised with very conservative Christian parents in NC (triad area). I run a business locally and let me just say that it is quite difficult having liberal/progressive views in my area. You fear to say *anything* for the risk of losing a customer simply due to political or religious differences. Some I can tell, simply couldn't care less.

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