Evidence that Trayvon Martin Doubled Back

by Dan Linehan on March 29, 2012

in Editorial

Retreat at Twin Lakes Map

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Key:

A – The Clubhouse for Retreat at Twin Lakes.
B – Community mailboxes.
C – Where George Zimmerman parked his truck.
D – Brandy Green’s Townhouse, where Trayvon was staying.
E – Zimmerman stopped and completed his 911 call for approximately eighty seconds.
F – The fight and shooting took place in this area.
G – Eyewitness “John’s” townhouse.

Let’s take a look at how events unfolded during the original 911 call Zimmerman made to report Trayvon as a suspicious person.

We can match things up on the map with the 911 call pretty much step-by-step.

0:15 – The best address I can give you is the clubhouse. [A]
0:45 – He’s just staring at the houses. Now he’s staring at me.
1:00 – He’s coming towards me.
1:20 – He’s coming to check me out.
2:08 – Shit, he’s running.
2:14 – Sound of truck door being closed. [C]
2:20 – He’s heading towards the back entrance. [referring to E]
2:25 – Are you following him? Yep.
2:45 – He ran… Zimmerman stops and completes the 911 call. [E]
4:05 – Call ends.

Here’s an estimate of Trayvon’s route back to Brandy Green’s townhouse with 911 call times included:

Trayvon Martin's Route

Martin is initially reported as hanging out near the clubhouse, looking at houses and acting suspiciously. Then he walks by Zimmerman’s truck at around 1:30 on the 911 call and proceeds east.

At 2:08, Trayvon starts running. Six seconds later, we hear Zimmerman leave his truck to see where he went.

While Trayvon runs south towards Brandy Green’s townhouse, Zimmerman continues east, and remains on the line with the 911 dispatcher.

At a slow jogging pace, Trayvon is estimated to have arrived back at Brandy Green’s townhouse at around 2:40 on the 911 call.

Trayvon may have gone inside the townhouse, but it seems more likely that he remained outside to see if Zimmerman was still following him and just continued talking to his girlfriend over the next few minutes.

After a few minutes, Trayvon seems to have walked north, back up the sidewalk to confront Zimmerman about why he was followed.

Here’s an estimate of Zimmerman’s route to the main road with 911 call times included:

George Zimmerman's Route

George Zimmerman leaves his truck at 2:14 and reaches Retreat View Circle just over thirty seconds later at 2:45.

He agrees to stop pursuit at the dispatcher’s request. After the 911 call is complete, Zimmerman begins to head back to his truck to meet the police. At this point, he claims he was confronted by Trayvon, and walks a few steps down the sidewalk south to respond to him.

As we can see, it appears unlikely that Zimmerman ever “chased down” Martin. Zimmerman only pursued long enough to maintain visual contact to see what direction Trayvon was going.

Zimmerman traveled his entire route in around 30 seconds, he only went a very short distance and did so specifically to tell the 911 dispatcher where Trayvon had gone.

It wasn’t until several minutes later that their altercation took place, when Martin apparently doubled back to confront Zimmerman.

John, the eyewitness who lives in [G], picks up the account from there.

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Jeorje 133 pts

  The judge just okayed the subpeona for Trayvon's school records.

Jeorje 133 pts

   Looks like Omara still hasn't gotten the cellphone records, nor apparently, has the prosecution. How does anyone know if DeeDee's cellphone records match Trayvon's?

eclecticsandra 1325 pts

 Jeorje That will be very interesting to see. They will have to be authenticated.

realitycheck 1371 pts

IFAM :

 

I have never seen a more divisive, hating and racist set of comments than you have been throwing out in the last 12 hours.  The browning of the electorate is a term used by the MSM yet to you , it is racist.  Why are you so bitter and angry to this amazing degree? I truly fear for your sanity and the safety of those around you.

 

People here were concerned how you fended through the hurricane and many of us toned down the rhetoric weeks ago. You still quote BS slogans and divisive words at a time for us to heal and try to again remember how to be one country.

 

Your hatred is almost psychotic and will destroy you and those around you. The world is NOT out to get you. The rules are not stacked against you and the"melting pot" is of color, religion,creed, culture etc, blending those differences together to become stronger in the blending not to divide..

 

Call me disingenuous, call me a racist, call me a fraud whatever you'd like. But remember I am an American, a FELLOW American who is concerned about our country, our children's future and what we leave to the future.

 

How do avoid elections that divide? Maybe by requiring all political ads be only about the person paying for the ad and his/her own record or beliefs. The negative campaigning is destructive on many fronts and tends to create the acidic response that you have. 

patti is ticked 7904 pts

 realitycheck As long as you have BET you will have a bunch of whiny, blame whitey racists. If a white tried something like that they'd never stop screaming.

I am about EQUALITY and SSUPREMACY IN ANY COLOR/RACE.  BET should not get a pass.

Rowwdy 8669 pts

 patti is ticked  "As long as you have BET you will have a bunch of whiny, blame whitey racists. If a white tried something like that they'd never stop screaming."

 

It doesn't stop at BET.  An all black caucus?  An all Mexican caucus?   All black fraternities?  All black student unions?  All black colleges?    So much for desegregation.   Blacks have become the biggest hypocrites in this country.

eclecticsandra 1325 pts

 realitycheck I, too, would like to see political ads that focus on the issues and capabilities of candidates, but our country has a long history of mud throwing. It's just that the media have changed and invaded our homes as well as the streets.

 

The "browning of America." Interesting term. I think of the analogy of mixing paint. Mix dark brown and white paint, and you get a beautiful shade of tan. It is nice, but certainly not very exciting. It shouldn't matter, but it does. Maybe we should work for more understanding rather than blending.

Rowwdy 8669 pts

 airforce_wife His plan will be to see Zimmerman go free.

THEIFAM 854 pts

 Rowwdy  airforce_wife Now Rowwdy speaks for God.

patti is ticked 7904 pts

 airforce_wife Too bad you have NO IDEA of what that is. I can tell you what it is not: It isn't supportive of lying schemers who are out for a quick buck and to create hate and division between Americans.

THEIFAM 854 pts

 patti is ticked  airforce_wife What would a piece of trash racist like you know about what their intentions were/are?

patti is ticked 7904 pts

 THEIFAM  airforce_wife Romney's concession speech was gracious, as is he. Class.

THEIFAM 854 pts

 patti is ticked  airforce_wife Very professional.   He generally is a decent man.  It's ashame he allowed a bunch of zealots to use him to promote their sick agendas.

eclecticsandra 1325 pts

 THEIFAM  patti is ticked  airforce_wife It has been going on all his life.

patti is ticked 7904 pts

 THEIFAM  airforce_wife I don't think he did, IFAM. I do think he allowed ALL people to influence his ideas and opinions to a point. The man is very, very intelligent.

realitycheck 1371 pts

 airforce_wife Noticed your argument about GZ's legal prescriptions WAS THROWN OUT AS IMMATERIAL.

 

Changing tactics and arguments now I see.

patti is ticked 7904 pts

 realitycheck  airforce_wife LOL-STILL LAUGHING, AFW!!!

airforce_wife 498 pts

@patti is ticked laughter is poison for fear. Do you think GZ is laughing? How about O'Mara? A multitude of tales and no credibility.....

patti is ticked 7904 pts

 airforce_wife  patti Completely credible, GZ, O'Mara, ME.

YOU haowever, with your stupid donkey and the tv vidoe, are a hige fucking JOKE! LMAO!

THEIFAM 854 pts

 airforce_wife  patti You are dealing with a 4 year old mentality with Patti Air Force.  Add to that the fact that she is not only a racist, but a racist in denial, and you get the corrosive sludge that she spews as her comments.

 

She and her other cronies are so pathetically out of their league they have bitten off all of their legs except the one that was caught in the trap.  

 

I am sure that you visit here (albeit less frequently) just to witness the level of social regression as the thinly veiled sheets come off their heads.

 

Their "white only" mentality took a left hook to the jaw tonight, and so now they are grappling for what losers grapple for - brass knuckles and whatever else they can find in a vain effort to save face.

patti is ticked 7904 pts

 THEIFAM  airforce_wife  patti See what a racist you are IFAM? WHEN have I EVER advocated "white only" anything, you are just a Jim Crow era racist of another color.

THEIFAM 854 pts

 patti is ticked  airforce_wife  patti Just read over your comments.  And FYI all Americans are entitled to their opinions.  Even black Americans are.

airforce_wife 498 pts

@realitycheck my views on benzo's and stimulants have NOT changed. Can you cite your source about the legal prescriptions? Judge Nelson ordered the medical records to remaim private......that's not immaterial.

realitycheck 1371 pts

 airforce_wife  realitycheck Doesn't matter what your "expert" opinion is. You have diagnosed a patient ,you have never met, as violent because that is a potential side affect in some cases.

 

The judge ruled the medical records (except for the records of the physical damage done TO GZ BY TMtm ) are to kept private and are NOT admissible as evidence since they are to remain private. Therefor whatever you might think, or what any other geniuses think, about GZ's medical records and prescriptions is irrelevant and IMMATERIAL to the case.

 

You, my dear Doctor(?) are hanging your opinion of GZ's guilt on a piece of information that  will not see the light of day

 

There is an old saying about opinions. You are acting like the other part that we all have.

airforce_wife 498 pts

@realitycheck private does NOT mean immaterial...just like I said.

realitycheck 1371 pts

 airforce_wife  realitycheck IT CANNOT AND WILL NOT BE ALLOWED IN TRIAL OR AS EVIDENCE !!! It really doesn't matter what you think (even if you are correct) .... Can't be used,  so IMMATERIAL AND IRRELEVANT in a court of law.

 

Of course you can continue to commit malpractice and slander GZ by ASSuming he was violent because of the prescribed medications that SOMETIMES in SOME PEOPLE has a negative affect. You have NEVER tested or even met the man , yet you ASSume this is how the drugs affected him. Can you explain how you can accurately diagnose an individual you only have hearsay about?

 

I wish there was a way for your opinionated, biased, blind ass gets sued for passing unproven slander.

 

(btw : immaterial [ˌɪməˈtɪərɪəl]adj1. of no real importance; inconsequential)

patti is ticked 7904 pts

 realitycheck  airforce_wife An ACTUAL Doctor would NEVER make claims like that.

THEIFAM 854 pts

 airforce_wife  realitycheck Reality makes things up as he goes along. Truth and facts are collateral damage along the way.

THEIFAM 854 pts

 realitycheck  airforce_wife She was giving Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt.  Hopefully you are not suggesting to us that he is normally that violent and irresponsible.  At least Air Force provided a plausible explanation - chemical influence - that accounted for his criminal behavior.

 

If you think his influence on drugs won't be an issue in this case then you probably think Ohio is still in play for Romney also.

THEIFAM 854 pts

 realitycheck  airforce_wife Cite a ruling by this judge or any case law that supports your contention.  Otherwise as suspected, you are full of hot air.

THEIFAM 854 pts

 patti is ticked  realitycheck  airforce_wife Don't hate.  You can always buy a doctor's kit in the toy section at Walmart and pretend you are one Patti.

patti is ticked 7904 pts

 THEIFAM  airforce_wife  realitycheck And a stupid moron like you can't resist switching his tail..

THEIFAM 854 pts

 patti is ticked  airforce_wife  realitycheck I am trying to get that turd that looks like you and smells like you out of me.

realitycheck 1371 pts

 THEIFAM  airforce_wife http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/Order%20Disclosing%20Redacted%20Medical%20Records.pdf

 

Please refer to the final paragraph "However, other medical reports relating to the treatment of unrelated maladies should not be disclosed. The court has reviewed the complete medical file and redacted those irrelevant and confidential materials. The remaining materials should be disclosed to the state under seal, as they remain confidential and should not further be discussed."   

THEIFAM 854 pts

 realitycheck  airforce_wife The argument was not thrown out Reality.  I hope you don't have Romnesia.  The judge is going to limit the scope of the use of the medical reports.  The prosecution will be able to bring up the fact that Zimmy was on narcotics the night that he murdered Trayvon Martin.

patti is ticked 7904 pts

 THEIFAM  realitycheck  airforce_wife "Romnesia" Can't you do any better than that?

eclecticsandra 1325 pts

 airforce_wife I think it may have been.

airforce_wife 498 pts

You don't need worry about Mary Cutcher if she is impeached by West (who did nothing but argue about rulings that were already decided upon) then you still have to work through the LIES! Don't be fooled. MOM AND WEST ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE FBI! hmmmmmmm.....here is daddy's take and it doesn't add up either. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFlo3Y12iPY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

eclecticsandra 1325 pts

 airforce_wife He didn't say how long it took to look for the address, but I don't think he ever reported an address. The video refers to a 911 call. It should have been an NEN call.

THEIFAM 854 pts

 eclecticsandra  airforce_wife He didn't say because he never looked for one.  He never looked for one because he was lying when he said he did.  He lied when said he did because he had continued to stalk his victim.  He continued to stalk his victim because he was convinced that all black people that he didn't know were suspicious criminals that get away.

Rowwdy 8669 pts

 airforce_wife Good God almighty..you are still listening to that Marxist Leatherman?  The one with a VERY dubious past?     And he is playing Sonata 14 in C sharp Minor Opus 27 to a recantation of the crime scene?    What a freaktoid.  

 

I seriously doubt O'Mara is worried about the FBI.  They want to know HOW the prosecution curiously ended up with a tape FROM CRUMP via the FBI.  In court....it was PROVEN by Crump's own admission.   Explain that?   

 

Well, they have to go to the FBI to follow the chain of evidence since the mysterious tape is NOW part of the State's evidence.   How many Canon Ethics violations are we up to now?   At least 5 if not more.

THEIFAM 854 pts

 airforce_wife The video only confirms how implausible Zimmerman's and his camp's version of the facts are.  Also consider from that video that he could have gotten an address from the town house that is right before the intersection to the crosswalk.  You have to buy that rather than simply provide the address of that house, he walked all the way to Retreat View Circle to get an address that he never reports to anyone to this day.

 

His camp expects us and a jury to accept his claim that he is studying in school to be a lawyer and judge but he can't remember the names of the three streets in his complex that he has been patrolling religiously and communicating with the police about for the past 6 months.

 

Gullible people like Romney and Reality and racists like Patti and Fake buy into such preposterousness.  Nola is simply clueless so her stance easily explainable.

ChangsterJunTony 5 pts

LMAO u do realize that there are witnesses who can place their movements and it completely contradicts George's story, as well as George's own story contradicting his own NEN phone call, the location of the incident, the screams, the forensics, and the actual timing of the incident

 

So in conclusion, you're an idiot

 

I digress back to a few witnesses who stated there was a chase from south on the T heading north toward the T intersection...

 

There is a witness who saw George shoot the kid and simply stand up

airforce_wife 498 pts

@ChangsterJunTony. It's amazing, right? george's comments were taken out of context, really? Unfortunately some people just can't handle a fact. They get angry and throw tantrums.......name calling.....tell you to F off. I suppose that helps them feel more adequate.

patti is ticked 7904 pts

 airforce_wife YOU are the BITCH who is rude and nasty, lies about soimeone she doesn't even know and convicts a man over skin color.

eclecticsandra 1325 pts

 patti is ticked  airforce_wife Who is lying?

patti is ticked 7904 pts

 eclecticsandra  airforce_wife Good LORD!!! YOU yourself have acknowledged in the past that Z was prob innocent-and that some are lying here.

patti is ticked 7904 pts

 eclecticsandra  airforce_wife AIRFORCE WIFE.

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